Have Never Met Prophet T.B Joshua But He Is My Colleague In The Ministry –
Brother Joshua Iginla
Joshua Iginla is the general overseer of Champions Royal Assembly based in
Abuja. The popular prophet whose predictions have been making headlines in an
exclusive chat with us opened up on his ministry and relationship with Prophet T.B. Joshua.
TB Joshua or you’ve associated with him; is it true?
one. I have never been to Synagogue. I don’t even have any physical connection
with him. I am not a son or a
follower of TB Joshua. I love what God is using him to do; I have no doubt that
he is of God. But the truth is, he is just a friend, a brother in Christ and a
colleague in the ministry.
B. Joshua because of the similarity in your ministrations, what’s the link?
A lot of media houses have asked me a similar question. If I claim I
don’t know him, it’s a lie. I have never seen him face to face or spoken
to him on phone. It was merely by watching his Emmanuel TV. It will be unfair
to criticize him. I know a lot of pastors sneak to his church but still deny
him openly. If I had been a critic then and now that I minister with such
grace and my hands are clean, I will not be bold to say this. Personally,
I will say this, he is a genuine man of God. I have warned my members
never to run down other men of God. Most criticisms against him were done
due to envy, bitterness and politics in the ministry. For instance, when
my mentor, Bishop Idahosa died, some of his people I wanted to make as mentors
were demanding for money.
TB Joshua is your friend, what’s your comment on the recent collapse of his
church building which claimed several lives?
with the families of those who lost their lives in the tragic incident. I pray
as God’s servant that the good Lord who doesn’t abandon His own will comfort
them on all sides and grant them the grace to bear the loss. some
journalists have come to meet me and asked me questions about it or requested
for my comment about the collapsed building. Let me open up for the first time.
When our brother is under attack, we should not rejoice but joined hands
together to pray for him. I have not seen him in person. I am just doing what
God has called me to do. He is my brother in the ministry and I love what God
is doing through him. People asked why this storm? The reason is that there is
no genuine or mature prophet that God won’t reveal what’s going to happen to
him. And you can’t expect such a prophet to come on air and begin to say this
is what will happen to my ministry. Rather, he will pray and speak to you in
parables. Those lies by people on the internet that he doesn’t know are not
true. If you listened to his messages, you will know he was speaking in
parables. The best thing we can do is to pray that it won’t happen. If prayer
was not done, it is not what we are saying about SCOAN and Prophet TB Joshua
that we will still be saying. I have heard other pastors who clapped and
celebrated and I call that wickedness in ministry. Nobody prayed for
temptation. It is only in Christianity that our brother will be under
attack and rather than us to join hands and pray for him, they are backstabbing
him. Anybody that rejoices about his brother’s challenge now should remember he
is not above temptation. I am already made as a person and my comment is
not because I want popularity. I am
famous already. My response is not because I need favour, I am favoured
already. It’s not because I need his help because I am blessed already. My
reaction is that people should stop rejoicing over a clergy when he is going
through storm. All those saying all manners of wicked things especially among
the body of Christ are demonic persons. Even if you don’t love what I am saying;
I still have to say the truth from my heart. If I don’t stand up and say this,
it means if I have my own challenges tomorrow, they will also criticise
me. It’s only in Nigeria that a fellow person will be under attack and they
will be rejoicing when we are supposed to rise up, pray and stand by him. One
blow for one is blow for all. I love Army generals. They can’t see one of their
own in trouble and won’t stand by him. It’s only among Christian generals that
we rejoice when another is going through storm. It’s due to envy, jealousy,
bitterness and hypocrisy in the ministry.
sole candidate in the forthcoming election and you have prophesied that
Jonathan would win, what do you think the 2015 elections would give birth to?
I took my time to pray
and talk to the Lord about 2015 because charity begins at home. If we continue
to talk about the other nations, and we do not talk about our own, what is the
evidence that God is talking to us? The 2015 election is not all about
winning, it is all about running an inclusive government that has to do with
trying to pacify the opposition party because this is like a do or die affair,
but the truth about the whole matter is that, Jonathan is going to win the
whole elections and there is no doubt about it. It is not because
Jonathan is the perfect man but I think the unity of Nigeria is most
important. I thank God for the opposition party because they are going to
do well but they are not the dream party that God will raise to take the
‘baton’ from PDP. Indeed, time would come that PDP would crumble but it
has not come to the time. For now, the years ahead would still be held by
the same person in power. Another thing God told me is that, no matter
how credible 2015 elections are, Jonathan should be ready for accusations and
battles. But mark my word, he will emerge the winner.
We have it on tape that during the vigil
of December 31, 2013, you prophesied that in 2014, there would be an
outbreak of a disease like Ebola virus, here we are, it has come to pass.
What is God saying about it and what is the way out?
I remember when I said that, people went on Facebook to criticize me that
what am I trying to say about a disease more dangerous than HIV? The
prophetic words said, “Some people will have HIV and won’t be happy they have
HIV and it is going to start from 2014 to 2020. It is going to claim
millions of lives. “ We have not actually seen the worst of Ebola virus.
I see sometimes but I am afraid to say it so that people don’t think one is too
negative but God revealed to us what is about to happen, so that we can warn
His people so that they can get prepared for the danger that is ahead.
This is not psychology. Nobody talked about Ebola virus many years ago
and nobody was afraid of it. Why did it happen when God spoke about
it? That is when you begin to understand there is nothing else but
God. There is a link between the witchcraft coven and the marine world
that lures people into hell and this is what we are seeing. I am not
mincing words, but a lot of souls are going to die except we begin to
understand that we need to turn to God. Prophetically, God showed me and
I was afraid and I am sorry to say that, even men of God are going to be
victims of this. He began to tell me that, “People who truly worship me
will be revealed and those who do not truly worship me will be revealed”
also. He told me that there would be something like a vaccine or hope
that would come and it would be discovered by a group of scientists led by a
white scientist with a bald head and this research will bring about 10 per cent
hope not 100 per cent hope. At first, a noise would be heard saying,
“There is hope” but the hope that they think is a cure is just a vaccine.
As a voice of God, for those who are
scared about this, what is the way out?
The way out is to turn to God. There is something spiritual about the
Ebola virus and the name Ebola is got from a river. Just as a group of
scientists are putting their heads together, a group of men of God should
assemble to pray for the world but I know it would be conquered. It would
still become an issue, it would not be a stigma the way HIV is now. It
would get to a time that people would live a normal life out of it.
Two major national prophecies you gave
and they have become quite sensational. Former Governor Nyako and the crashed
airforce helicopter in Bama, Borno State. What do you think happened, despite
your warning, it came to pass?
Most times when people hear the prophets of God speaking to the world, they
feel they are charlatans. Some people have a way of looking down on the
prophetic words of God and I could remember before the helicopter crash and if
you look at the fulfilled prophecy, it was more than three to four times that
the prophetic words were echoed and warnings were given about how it could be
averted. On our own side, we prayed about it and we also tried to pass messages
to the relevant authorities and I felt a little bit unhappy because some of
these prophecies that are negative can be averted if people can at least heed
the voice of God. Some of the prophetic words in terms of the helicopter crash,
I re-echoed and we prayed but the people concerned turned deaf ears to it. How
would it not come to pass? It is part of the prayers I made that made that
crash have survivors.
worshippers troop into this ministry and even to overflow. What is the secret
of this massive explosion?
Nothing else than God
and sometimes, it is so funny when you look at where people park their cars and
trek down to be part of the service. They line up at 4.30 a.m to follow all the
rigorous procedures. I would always say that where the carcasses are, there the
eagles gather because God is actually doing wonders and we should give God
praise for it. Some pastors are looking for members while others are even tired
of the ones they have.
We learnt that due to this expansion in
May, you decided to get another site that would accommodate this explosion and
by November, the church anniversary would be done and most of your pastors are
scared of the possibility because it is so capital intensive?
I remember God made me to declare the prophetic word last year November
that we would have our eighth anniversary on our permanent land and when it got
to April, we had not got a piece of land and many people began to call but God
did His wonders and a land came and what we are about to build is something out
of this world, something that has not been seen in Nigeria. The church will
have an escalator, it is going to be a masterpiece. Some people are already
thinking whether it is a federal government project because of the proposed
plan to build a 5-star hotel there, a wonderful restaurant and other
establishments, schools, university and more.
How long will it take you to complete
the permanent site and how will the funds come?
We are not under pressure to complete the new site. What we are praying for is
time, not money. In fact, we have bought a generator to make sure that work
goes on day and night just to meet up with the target.